A Senate panel on Thursday moved Florida one step closer to allowing people to carry concealed firearms without licenses, as critics on opposite sides took aim at the proposal.
The Senate Fiscal Policy Committee voted 13-6 along party lines to approve the bill (SB 150), which is now ready for consideration by the full Senate. Senate sponsor Jay Collins, R-Tampa, said minor changes Thursday made the bill identical to a House version (HB 543), which is poised to go to the full House.
Roughly 50 people signed up to testify Thursday, mostly in opposition to the bill.
“On one hand, we have people who feel the gun is the problem. On the other, I believe that as a law-abiding citizen, that gun is a tool to help protect those things we love and that the answer to criminals with guns is good people, and law-abiding citizens, there to protect our citizens,” Collins said.
Under longstanding law, gun owners have needed to obtain state concealed-weapons licenses to carry guns, a process that has included completing training courses and passing background checks. The bill would scrap the requirements, though it says people carrying guns would have to be able to display valid identification “upon demand by a law enforcement officer.”
Democrats and gun-control advocates have criticized the elimination of the training requirement. But Collins and other bill supporters have questioned the effectiveness of the training.
“That training, if you go check it out, is not going to make anyone a sharpshooter or gun expert,” Collins said.
“So, if you feel that the training is not sufficient, why don’t we do something to make the training more sufficient?” Sen. Lori Berman, D-Boca Raton, asked.
“There is no training required to buy a gun, that (buying) process doesn’t change in this bill. I believe that as a responsible gun owner, you should go find ways to train yourself to be prepared,” Collins replied.
Several members of the group Moms Demand Action, which was formed after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut, opposed the bill at Thursday’s meeting.
“I’m absolutely terrified of what this legislation is going to do to our state. Florida is already in a gun violence crisis. Children are dying, and communities are devastated. It’s downright shameful to push forward this dangerous legislation that will eliminate our decades-long permitting system,” Katie Hathaway, a Moms Demand Action member, said.
The National Rifle Association, the Florida Sheriffs Association and the Florida Police Chiefs Association have been among groups supporting the proposal, which has been referred to as the “permitless carry” or “constitutional carry” bill — a nod by supporters to the constitutional right to bear arms.
But some gun rights advocates dispute the “constitutional carry” label and say the bill should go further by allowing “open carry,” which would not require firearms to be concealed.
But at the same time, there are gun experts who believe that may not be a good idea.
“Let’s say somebody comes into a store to try and rob it, the first person they are going to shoot is the person who has the gun on their hip. So you have already made yourself a target at that point. If everybody’s concealed carrying, you don’t know who is carrying and who is not carrying,” said Z. Farhar, store manager of Green Acres Sporting Goods in Jacksonville.
Farhat also said the sight of gun owners openly carrying their firearms in public might make some people feel uncomfortable, especially people who already have a fear of guns in the first place.
Green Acres Sporting Goods store sells guns and holds concealed carry safety classes before people get their concealed carry permits. Farhat has no problem with eliminating permits to carry a gun, but he said scrapping the required training is a recipe for trouble, primarily for people who are new to gun ownership.
“If you’re going to carry a firearm in public, you should be required to take at least a general firearms safety course to at least know the basic points,” Farhat said.
Crystal Anlage became a victim’s advocate for Project Cold Case after her son was shot and killed in the Arlington area in 2020. He was two months shy of turning 21. She’s been keeping up on the status of SB150.
“We have such a problem with gun violence as it is,” Anlage said. “I just can’t imagine giving people access to it that don’t have training.”
She said people new to guns should be required to take safety courses, and she bases that on her own personal experience.
“I know how important it is,” Anlage said. “I was terrified of firearms before I went through the training.”
Gov. Ron DeSantis signaled this week that he would support an open-carry proposal. But he also indicated he would approve a concealed-carry bill.
“I’m going to sign what they (lawmakers) do. So, if they do a permitless bill, and that gets to my desk, I’m not going to veto that because it didn’t necessarily include everything I wanted,” DeSantis said Tuesday.
With DeSantis widely viewed as a front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024, his comments were cited by open-carry supporters.
“If the governor cannot get a very friendly legislature to add open carry to this bill, then how do we think he will do trying to convince Congress to act on anything if he were to become president? If open carry isn’t added to this bill, it shows political impotence on the part of Gov. DeSantis,” said Matt Collins, a Winter Park resident who addressed the Senate panel.
Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, who represented the Florida Sheriffs Association and spoke in favor of the bill, said he would not support open-carry legislation.
In addition to the gun issue, the bill would make a series of changes about school safety.
For example, the measure calls for providing $42 million to the state Department of Education for “school hardening” grant programs geared toward improving the security of school buildings.